The Hebrew, Aramaic, and Greek that is typically translated as “elders” in English is translated in the DanishBibelen 2020 as folkets ledere or “leaders of the people.”
Martin Ehrensvärd, one of the translators, explains: “The term ‘elder’ turned out to pose a particularly thorny problem. In traditional bibles, you can find elders all of over the place and they never pose a problem for a translator, they are just always elders. But how to find a contemporary term for this semi-official, complex position? This may have been our longest-standing problem. A couple of times we thought we had the solution, and then implemented it throughout the texts, only to find out that it didn’t work. Like when we used city council or village council, depending on the context. In the end we felt that the texts didn’t work with such official terms, and throughout the years in the desert, these terms didn’t make much sense. Other suggestions were ‘the eldest and wisest’, ‘the respected citizens’, ‘the Israelites with a certain position in society’, ‘the elder council’ –- and let me point out that these terms sound better in Danish than in English (‘de fremtrædende borgere,’ ‘de mest fremtrædende israelitter,’ ‘alle israelitter med en vis position,’ ‘de ældste og de klogeste,’ ‘ældsterådet’). In the end we just said ‘leaders of the people.’ After a lot of hand-wringing, it turned out that we actually found a term that worked well. So, we had to give up conveying the fact that they were old, but the most important point is that they were community leaders.” (Source: Ehrensvärd in HIPHIL Novum 8/2023, p. 81ff. )
The Germandas Buch translation by Roland Werner (publ. 2009-2022) translates likewise as “leader of the people” (Anführer des Volkes).
Some languages do not have a concept of kingship and therefore no immediate equivalent for the Greek, Hebrew, Aramaic, and Latin that is translated as “king” in English. Here are some (back-) translations:
Ninia Yali: “big brother with the uplifted name” (source: Daud Soesilio in Noss 2007, p. 175)
Nyamwezi: mutemi: generic word for ruler, by specifying the city or nation it becomes clear what kind of ruler (source: Pioneer Bible Translators, project-specific translation notes in Paratext)
Ghomála’: Fo (“The word Fo refers to the paramount ruler in the kingdoms of West Cameroon. He holds administrative, political, and religious power over his own people, who are divided into two categories: princes (descendants of royalty) and servants (everyone else).” (Source: Michel Kenmogne in Theologizing in Context: An Example from the Study of a Ghomala’ Christian Hymn))
Faye Edgerton retells how the term in Navajo was determined:
“[This term was] easily expressed in the language of Biblical culture, which had kings and noblemen with their brilliant trappings and their position of honor and praise. But leadership among the Navajos is not accompanied by any such titles or distinctions of dress. Those most respected, especially in earlier days, were their headmen, who were the leaders in raids, and the shaman, who was able to serve the people by appealing for them to the gods, or by exorcising evil spirits. Neither of these made any outward show. Neither held his position by political intrigue or heredity. If the headman failed consistently in raids, he was superceded by a better warrior. If the shaman failed many times in his healing ceremonies, it was considered that he was making mistakes in the chants, or had lost favor with the gods, and another was sought. The term Navajos use for headman is derived from a verb meaning ‘to move the head from side to side as in making an oration.’ The headman must be a good orator, able to move the people to go to war, or to follow him in any important decision. This word is naat’áanii which now means ‘one who rules or bosses.’ It is employed now for a foreman or boss of any kind of labor, as well as for the chairman of the tribal council. So in order to show that the king is not just a common boss but the highest ruler, the word ‘aláahgo, which expresses the superlative degree, was put before naat’áanii, and so ‘aláahgo naat’áanii ‘anyone-more-than-being around-he-moves-his-head-the-one-who’ means ‘the highest ruler.’ Naat’áanii was used for governor as the context usually shows that the person was a ruler of a country or associated with kings.”
Before verses 17-19 can be translated, a decision must be made concerning when the events of these verses happened. There are two possible interpretations:
(1) In verses 12-13 Abner sends messengers to talk to David; following that, he confers with the elders of the northern tribes to get their support (verses 17-19). Revised English Bible makes this interpretation even more definite by translating verse 12 “Abner sent envoys on his own behalf to David….” That is, the first time Abner contacts David, he is doing so on his own behalf, but then he contacts the elders of the northern tribes (verses 17-19) before he contacts David again in verse 20. It is then that he speaks on behalf of the northern tribes.
(2) These verses may be a flashback that tell what Abner did before he sent messengers to speak with David; that is, the events of verses 17-19 happen prior to the events of verses 12-13. This interpretation is followed by New Jewish Publication Society’s Tanakh and Osty-Trinquet, which use verbs in the pluperfect tense in verses 17-19: “Abner had conferred….” and “Abner had also spoken to the Benjaminites….” Anderson follows this same interpretation by inserting the words “In the meantime” at the beginning of verse 17.
The sequence of events is not clearly marked in the Hebrew. Either interpretation is possible, and translators may choose to follow the interpretation found in an existing translation that is widely used.
Abner conferred with the elders of Israel: literally “and the word of Abner was with the elders of Israel.” This seems to mean that Abner had a direct discussion with these leaders rather than “sent word to the elders” (New Revised Standard Version and similarly New Century Version). Either meaning, however, is possible.
Elders: these were the leaders of the people of Israel. See discussion of this term in 1 Sam 4.3 (compare also Ruth 4.2).
For some time past: literally “yesterday and three days ago,” but not even King James Version translates this literally. This unusual expression occurs also in Gen 31.2 and Exo 21.29, where Revised Standard Version renders it “before” and “in the past.” According to some interpreters this expression carries the idea “for a long time” (New American Bible as well as Good News Translation). The rendering of Knox, “it was but yesterday,” is not recommended, although Anchor Bible has “not long ago.” This expression seems to refer to the recent past rather than to the remote past, as noted in 1 Sam 4.7.
Quoted with permission from Omanson, Roger L. and Ellington, John E. A Handbook on the First and Second Books of Samuel, Volume 2. (UBS Helps for Translators). New York: UBS, 2001. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .
Like a number of other East Asian languages, Japanese uses a complex system of honorifics, i.e. a system where a number of different levels of politeness are expressed in language via words, word forms or grammatical constructs. These can range from addressing someone or referring to someone with contempt (very informal) to expressing the highest level of reference (as used in addressing or referring to God) or any number of levels in-between. One way Japanese show different degree of politeness is through the choice of a formal plural suffix to the second person pronoun (“you” and its various forms) as shown here in the widely-used Japanese Shinkaiyaku (新改訳) Bible of 2017.
In these verses, anata-gata (あなたがた) is used, combining the second person pronoun anata and the plural suffix -gata to create a formal plural pronoun (“you” [plural] in English). (Source: S. E. Doi, see also S. E. Doi in Journal of Translation, 18/2022, p. 37ff. )
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