father and mother (order)

“In Papiamentu the most natural order of the collocation ‘father and mother’ is mama i tata (‘mother and father’). This probably reflects the matriarchal or matrilineal nature of the Curaçaon society, and in fact, of the whole region. The mother (grandmother, aunt, great-aunt) plays a pivotal role in the web of family and social relations. Even when both parents are still alive and have a good marriage, the children will usually speak not of ‘my father’s house,’ but always of ‘my mother’s house.’

“When discussing the sensitivities surrounding the translation of the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:12; Deuteronomy 5:16) and the many references to them in the NT, this difference between the target language and the source language emerged. It had been taken for granted in other texts. The discussion in the Papiamentu translation team, working on the Papiamentu Common Language (PAPCL) translation, that is, the Beibel Papiamentu Koriente (1995), shows the complexity and sensitivity of the issue. Given the liturgical significance of the Ten Commandments for several churches, what seemed to be a trivial matter soon became a rather crucial decision.

“At first, following the aim of producing a natural translation, there was a general consensus to follow the natural mother-father word order. However, when reviewers from outside the translation team were told that the original order in Hebrew or Greek was often different, a heated debate developed. The underlying assumption in this discussion was that the natural order in Papiamentu reflects not only the preeminent role of women, but also — and perhaps more significantly — the lack of responsibility of the males (fathers) in the home. Thus the main question was whether the Bible translation, in following the natural language pattern, would not be endorsing the social reality of dysfunctional families, a reality caused by absentee and/or negligent fathers. In other words, the dilemma for the translation team was: Would not the translation be sanctioning this ‘deficient’ image of manhood and fatherhood by the mother-father sequence? This was accepted as being the case, and consequently the biblical pattern (father-mother) was interpreted as providing a necessary corrective to the social situation. (…)

“In practice the policy just described resulted in the following practical decisions:
“Maintain the original ‘patriarchal’ order:

  • Genesis 2:24 (NRSV): ‘Therefore a man leaves his father and his mother’ [PAPCL: su tata i mama]
  • Deuteronomy 5:16: ‘Honor your father and your mother’ [PAPCL: tata i mama]
  • [and numerous others]

“Alternatively, in some (less well-known) passages ‘father and mother’ has been translated as mayornan (‘parents’). This solution has the benefit of putting the focus on the equal function of the partners towards their offspring, not focusing on either gender.

“Unfortunately, the natural collocation (mother-father) seems to be so natural that, contrary to the established policy to follow the Hebrew father-mother order, the Papiamentu mother-father still appears in, for example, Judges 14:9; Proverbs 23:25; Luke 2:33; 14.26; Matthew 19:5; Mark 10:7, 19. And the last three cases, in the New Testament, are direct quotations from the Old Testament! This might serve as a warning for translators who are following an idiomatic approach, to be careful with constructions that are very much ingrained in the psyche of the translators.” (Source: Marlon Winedt in The Bible Translator 2007, p. 56ff. )

Note that in Deuteronomy 22:21 “father’s house” is translated as “parents’ house” in the PAPCL translation.

son of

The Greek and Hebrew that is translated as “son of” in English is translated in all Icelandic Bible versions of the Icelandic Bible Society (latest edition 2007) in parallel with the Icelandic naming system . This means that for instance in Matthew 16:17 the name that is transliterated and translated in English as “Simon son of Jonah” becomes “Simon Jónasson” or in Isaiah 8:2 “Zechariah son of Jeberechiah” becomes “Sakaría Jeberekíason” where in both cases the “-son” means “son of.”

In cases where “son of” does not refer to a literal father or perhaps stepfather but to lineage, however, this system is not used. So in Matthew 1:1 “Jesus the Messiah, the son of David, the son of Abraham” is translated as “Jesú Krists, sonar Davíðs, sonar Abrahams.”

The referenced verses all have at least one instance where the Icelandic patronymic or matronymic naming system is used. (Source: Halldór Elías Guðmundsson)

See also daughter of

complete verse (1 Kings 22:52)

Following are a number of back-translations as well as a sample translation for translators of 1 Kings 22:52:

  • Kupsabiny: “Ahaziah did bad deeds before (in the eyes of) God as his father and mother had been doing. He followed like Jeroboam son of Nebat had been doing, the one who led the people of Israel to fall into sin.” (Source: Kupsabiny Back Translation)
  • Newari: “Like his father Ahab and his mother Jezebel, and Jeroboam, who caused the Israelites to sin, Ahaziah did evil work that was not pleasing to the LORD.” (Source: Newari Back Translation)
  • Hiligaynon: “He did evil in the sight of the LORD, because he followed his father and mother, and Jeroboam the child of Nebat, which was became the reason why those whose-from-Israel have-sinned.” (Source: Hiligaynon Back Translation)
  • English: “He did many things that Yahweh considered to be evil, doing the evil things that his father and mother had done and the evil things that Jeroboam had done—the king who had led all the Israeli people to sin by worshiping idols.” (Source: Translation for Translators)

Translation commentary on 1 Kings 22:52

The author’s judgment on Ahaziah is similar in language to the judgment made on earlier kings of Israel in 1 Kgs 15.26; 16.2, 19, 26. The vocabulary used to evaluate this king is like that used in the earlier cases.

Since this is a summary of Ahaziah’s reign, Good News Translation identifies by name his father (Ahab) and his mother (Jezebel). It may be helpful to do this in other languages (so Nova Tradução na Linguagem de Hoje).

Jeroboam has already been identified as the son of Nebat (1 Kgs 11.26 and several times in chapters 12, 15, 16, and 21), so Good News Translation omits the words the son of Nebat (also Nova Tradução na Linguagem de Hoje, Die Bibel im heutigen Deutsch). But since this is the first reference to Jeroboam in this chapter, translators may wish to include the full form of his name here.

Quoted with permission from Omanson, Roger L. and Ellington, John E. A Handbook on 1-2 Kings, Volume 1. (UBS Helps for Translators). New York: UBS, 2008. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .

SIL Translator’s Notes on 1 Kings 22:52

22:52a And he did evil in the sight of the LORD

Ahaziah did things/deeds that are wrong/bad/evil in Yahweh’s sight.
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His actions/deeds displeased Yahweh.

22:52b and walked in the ways of his father and mother and of Jeroboam son of Nebat,

He lived the same way that his father had lived and that his mother had lived. He lived like Jeroboam, the son of Nebat.
-or-
He behaved/acted in the ⌊evil⌋ way that his father ⌊Ahab⌋ and his mother ⌊Jezebel⌋ had done. He behaved like Jeroboam, the son of Nebat,

22:52c who had caused Israel to sin.

Jeroboam had caused/made Israel to sin ⌊against Yahweh⌋.
-or-
who had led ⌊the people of⌋ Israel into sin.

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