forget

The Hebrew, Latin, Ge’ez, and Greek that is translated as “forget” in English is translated in Noongar as dwangka-anbangbat, lit. “ear-lose.” (Source: Portions of the Holy Bible in the Nyunga language of Australia, 2018).

See also remember and forget (Japanese honorifics).

complete verse (Ecclesiastes 2:16)

Following are a number of back-translations as well as a sample translation for translators of Ecclesiastes 2:16:

  • Kupsabiny: “Because a wise person will not be remembered, also a stupid person will not be remembered. Because when a stupid person dies, he is forgotten, also the wise person dies and is forgotten.” (Source: Kupsabiny Back Translation)
  • Newari: “For, like the foolish person, the wise person will also not be remembered for a long time.
    In the coming days both of them will be completely forgotten.
    For, like the fool, the one who has wisdom will also have to die.” (Source: Newari Back Translation)
  • Hiligaynon: “All of us (incl.), either wise or fool, will-die some-time-later, and both will-be-forgotten.’” (Source: Hiligaynon Back Translation)
  • English: “Wise people and foolish people all die.
    And after we die, we will all eventually be forgotten.’” (Source: Translation for Translators)

Translation commentary on Ecclesiastes 2:16

For of the wise man as of the fool: if the initial particle ki is translated For, then verse 16 provides the reason for the previous argument. But such a connection between verses 15 and 16 does not seem logical. It is probably best to understand verse 16 as providing the reader with yet another example of how the wise and fool are alike. This approach would better account for the repetition of the phrase “as of the wise man as of the fool.” For this reason we suggest the initial particle be translated as “Indeed,” or not translated at all, as in Good News Translation.

Remembrance or “memorial” can be applied to any material object or to any thought or notion that helps us recall what happened in the past. It may be directed toward God or people. Whether it is a physical memorial to what the sage achieved or some mental reflection on his achievements is difficult to determine. However, the point is clearly made: nobody remembers either the fool or the wise after they die. This is another aspect of the finality of death. Rather than use a noun remembrance or “memorial,” translators can use a verbal form, “not remembered,” or even “are forgotten.” The whole clause may say something like this: “Indeed, whether wise or foolish, people are forgotten for ever” or “Whether you are wise or foolish, nobody remembers you for long.”

Seeing that in the days to come all will have been long forgotten: this is a peculiar expression in Hebrew. The initial phrase seeing that is literally “in which already.” It is either a time phrase pointing back to something already done or an explanatory “because already.” However, it is followed by the “coming days,” referring to something future. In light of the Hebrew imperfect verb “will be forgotten,” we can assume that Qoheleth is speaking of the future. We may translate as “because we already know that in the future everything will be forgotten.” All in this clause is a general term, and we probably do not need to define it too closely. Almost certainly it refers to “both wise and fool.” Translators have the choice of using the more general “all” or “everything,” or naming the persons as “wise people and fools.”

How the wise man dies just like the fool! exclaims Qoheleth. This cry is similar to the idea found in verse 15, but for the first time the word “fate” is clearly identified as “death.” What does Qoheleth mean when he says that the wise dies … like the fool? We need to ensure that readers do not think that the manner of death is the same. His point is simply that, whether a person is wise or foolish, there is no escape from death. A second meaning may also be present in the cry, in the sense that neither wise nor fool have any lasting memorial. The introductory How is a painful cry from Qoheleth as he meditates on this fact. It is a word we find often in the laments in Psalms (see Psa 73.11, 19; Lam 1.1; 2.1; 4.1, 2). New English Bible, Moffatt, Jerusalem Bible all use the word “Alas!” whereas New American Bible “How is it that…?” may sound more like a question than a painful cry of distress. Some languages will prefer an interjection of some kind to express this emotion. Our translation can make a clear reference to the pain of this situation by rendering it as “What a tragedy that the wise man’s death is no different from the fool’s!” “How awful that death makes no distinction between wise and foolish people!”

Quoted with permission from Ogden, Graham S. and Zogbo, Lynell. A Handbook on the Book of Ecclesiates. (UBS Helps for Translators). New York: UBS, 1997. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .

SIL Translator’s Notes on Ecclesiastes 2:16

2:16a For there is no lasting remembrance of the wise, just as with the fool,

This is so because no one remembers wise people or fools for very long.
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Nobody remembers the wise or the fool for very long (FBV)
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People soon forget the wise man just as they forget the fools.

2:16b seeing that both will be forgotten in the days to come.

It is already certain that in the future people will forget all about them.
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In days to come, we will all be forgotten. (Good News Translation)
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People will only too soon forget both, ⌊the wise and the foolish person, once they have died⌋ .

2:16c Alas, the wise man will die just like the fool!

How awful! Just like fools, wise people must die too.
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Even wise men, like fools, must die in the end! (EASY2015)

2:16a-c (combined)

The wise person and the fool will both die, and no one will remember either one for long. In the future, both will be forgotten. (New Century Version)
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Wise or foolish, we all die and are soon forgotten.” (Contemporary English Version)
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Whether people are wise or foolish, they will still die, and no one will remember either one of them forever. In the future, people will forget everything both of them did. So the two are really the same. (English Easy-to-Read Version)

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