2nd person pronoun with low register (Japanese)

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Like a number of other East Asian languages, Japanese uses a complex system of honorifics, i.e. a system where a number of different levels of politeness are expressed in language via words, word forms or grammatical constructs. These can range from addressing someone or referring to someone with contempt (very informal) to expressing the highest level of reference (as used in addressing or referring to God) or any number of levels in-between. One way Japanese shows different degree of politeness is through the choice of a second person pronoun (“you” and its various forms) as shown here in the widely-used Japanese Shinkaiyaku (新改訳) Bible of 2017. The most commonly used anata (あなた) is typically used when the speaker is humbly addressing another person.

In these verses, however, omae (おまえ) is used, a cruder second person pronoun, that Jesus for instance chooses when chiding his disciples. (Source: S. E. Doi, see also S. E. Doi in Journal of Translation, 18/2022, p. 37ff. )

See also first person pronoun with low register and third person pronoun with low register.

Translation commentary on Mark 5:8 – 5:9

Exegesis:

elegen gar autō ‘for he was saying to him’ (so Goodspeed, Montgomery, Williams); ‘for he said’ (American Standard Version, Translator’s New Testament); ‘for he had said’ (Revised Standard Version, Moffatt, Berkeley); ‘for he had been saying’ (Taylor). The imperfect indicates either (1) that Jesus was in the act of exorcising the unclean spirit when interrupted by the demoniac; or (2) Jesus was repeating his command (cf. Goodspeed and others). Manson‘s “Jesus was already saying to him”, favors the first interpretation. The meaning of the verb legō ‘say’ here is ‘command,’ ‘order.’

autō ‘to him’: refers to the unclean spirit, to whom the command to come out is addressed. The confusion between the man and the unclean spirit (or spirits) who possessed him is seen throughout.

to pneuma to akatharton ‘you unclean spirit’: though the form is nominative, this is the vocative use, the case of address.

kai epērōta auton ‘and he (Jesus) asked him (the man)’: the masculine pronoun auton ‘him’ shows that the man is being addressed. Again, in such cases, it is impossible to separate the man from the spirit.

eperōtaō (some 25 times in Mark; cf. erōtaō in 4.10) ‘ask a question.’

legiōn (5.15) ‘Legion’: a Latin loan-word. In the time of Augustus a legion of soldiers comprised 6000 men.

hoti polloi esmen ‘because we are many’: the masculine polloi ‘many’ does not agree in gender with ta pneumata ta akatharta ‘the unclean spirits’ (v. 13). It must be understood in a general sense (cf. the masculine participle legontes ‘saying’ in v. 12; cf. 9.26 where masculine participles modify the neuter ‘spirit’), as applying to the spirits themselves (although it is possible that the masculine is influenced by legiōn which is masculine – cf. v. 15).

Translation:

In order that the sequence of actual events between verses 7 and 8 may be made clear, it is necessary to indicate explicitly that the statement made by the demon-possessed man is in response to what Jesus had already said, e.g. ‘For Jesus had already said to the man, ….’ (or ‘was already saying’).

Despite the apparent confusion between words addressed to the man and the responses of the demon (or demons), it is important in so far as possible to preserve this confusion, as being an essential element in the psychological situation. In the beginning of verse 8, it is vital that one have as the object of the verb ‘said’ a pronominal element (or noun) which will identify the demon, since the following words are specifically addressed to the unclean spirit. However, in the beginning of verse 9, asked him is probably better interpreted as being addressed to the man, even though the demons reply.

What is your name is rendered in a number of different ways in various languages, e.g. ‘how do you call yourself,’ ‘what name has been given to you,’ ‘what do people speak in calling you,’ and ‘what are you named.’

Legion has been treated in several different ways: (1) by transliteration, but this is usually quite meaningless, (2) by some reference to a number of soldiers, e.g. ‘many soldiers’ (Central Mazahua), ‘an army’ (Chicahuaxtla Triqui), ‘thousands of soldiers’ (Kekchi), and (3) by some word or phrase indicating a large crowd or group, e.g. ‘a multitude’ (Southern Bobo Madaré), ‘ten thousand’ (Batak Toba), ‘a crowd’ (Amganad Ifugao, Southern Subanen, South Bolivian Quechua), and ‘many’ (Guerrero Amuzgo). Either of these latter types of alternatives seems to be quite adequate.

For we are many may be ‘for there are many of us’ or ‘for our number is great.’

Quoted with permission from Bratcher, Robert G. and Nida, Eugene A. A Handbook on the Gospel of Mark. (UBS Handbook Series). New York: UBS, 1961. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .

SIL Translator's Notes on Mark 5:9

5:9a

“What is your name?” Jesus asked: The pronoun your here could refer either to the man or to the evil spirit that was controlling him. The Greek text says that Jesus specifically asked “him” this question. The pronoun “him” could similarly refer either to the man or to the spirit. If you must choose, use a word that refers to the spirit, since the answer to Jesus’ question was a name that referred to the spirit. (See the note on Paragraph 5:6–10 for further discussion.) For example, the NIRV says:

Then Jesus asked the demon, “What is your name?”

General Comment on 5:8–9a

In some languages it may be more natural to use indirect speech to translate the quotes in these verses. For example:

For Jesus had just commanded the unclean spirit to leave the man. Then Jesus asked him what his name was.

5:9b

My name is Legion…for we are many: In some languages, it may not be natural to say My name (singular), and then to say we are (plural). You may need to use either the singular or plural for both parts of this statement. For example:

Our name is Legion, for we are many
-or-
My name is Legion, for I speak for many unclean spirits who control this man.
-or-
My name is Legion, for there are many unclean spirits in this man.

Legion: The word Legion was the name of the largest unit of soldiers in the Roman army. A legion had between four thousand and six thousand soldiers. The unclean spirit called himself Legion because there were many unclean spirits along with him that were controlling the man.

Here are some ways to translate Legion in this context:

• Use a military word that describes a large group of soldiers. For example:

Army
-or-
Regiment
-or-
Thousands of Soldiers

If it is natural in your language, this is the ideal option.

• Use a word that describes a large number. It should be large enough to go well with the two thousand pigs mentioned in 5:13. For example:

Hundreds/Thousands

• Use a word that describes a very large group of people. For example:

Crowd
-or-
Horde
-or-
Mob (Good News Bible)

for we are many: The Greek word that the Berean Standard Bible translates here as for introduces an explanation of the unclean spirit’s name. Indicate this in a natural way in your language.

Here are some other ways to translate for we are many:

since there are many of us
-or-
because our number is great

he replied: In the Greek text, the words that the Berean Standard Bible translates as he replied come before the unclean spirit’s speech. The Berean Standard Bible has placed the phrase he replied in the middle of what the unclean spirit said. Place it where it is most natural in your language.

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