Father (address for God)

The Greek that is translated with the capitalized “Father” in English when referring to God is translated in Highland Totonac with the regular word for (biological) father to which a suffix is added to indicate respect. The same also is used for “Lord” when referring to Jesus. (Source: Hermann Aschmann in The Bible Translator 1950, p. 171ff. )

Like a number of other East Asian languages, Japanese uses a complex system of honorifics, i.e. a system where a number of different levels of politeness are expressed in language via words, word forms or grammatical constructs. These can range from addressing someone or referring to someone with contempt (very informal) to expressing the highest level of reference (as used in addressing or referring to God) or any number of levels in-between. In the widely-used Japanese Shinkaiyaku (新改訳) Bible of 2017, God the Father is addressed with mi-chichi (御父). This form has the “divine” honorific prefix mi– preceding the archaic honorific form chichi for “father.”

If, however, Jesus addresses his Father, he is using chichi-o (父を) which is also highly respectful but does not have the “divine” honorific. (Source: S. E. Doi, see also S. E. Doi in Journal of Translation, 18/2022, p. 37ff. )

See also Lord and my / our Father.

Translation commentary on John 16:23

When that day comes is literally “and in that day.” The same phrase appears again in verse 26 (see also 14.20).

There is a question regarding the interpretation of the verb rendered ask … for in Good News Translation. Revised Standard Version, New English Bible, and Barclay take it with the same meaning that Good News Translation does; but others Die Bibel im heutigen Deutsch, New American Bible, Jerusalem Bible, Moffatt, Goodspeed, Phillips, La Sainte Bible: Nouvelle version Segond révisée, Zürcher Bibel, Luther) take it to mean “ask a question.” The problem of interpretation is made more complex by the fact that two different verbs meaning “to ask” are used in this verse. The one under discussion (Greek erōtaō) originally meant “to ask a question,” while the second (Greek aiteō) originally meant “to ask for something.” But the verb erōtaō is also sometimes used in Greek literature with the meaning “to ask for something,” and John himself elsewhere uses it with that meaning (see 4.31,40,47; 14.16; 16.26b; 17.20). The question here is: does John use both verbs with the meaning “to ask for something,” or does he use the first verb with the meaning “to ask a question?” The answer depends upon whether verse 23a goes with what precedes or with what follows. If it goes with what precedes, the meaning of the first verb will be “to ask questions”; but if it goes with what follows (23b-24), the meaning will be “to ask for something.” Although John does use this verb elsewhere in the sense of “to ask for something,” in the context of chapter 16 it is definitely used three times with the meaning “to ask a question” (see 16.5,19,30). Then, too, in the present context the disciples have not asked Jesus for anything, and he is apparently drawing a contrast between “now” (the time of his ministry) and “that day.” On the basis of this observation, the meaning seems to be that after Jesus leaves, the disciples will no longer have to ask him any questions, because the Holy Spirit will be able to guide them into full truth. Moreover, the solemn words I tell you the truth signal a change in subject matter between 23a and 23b, and so support this interpretation. If these conclusions are correct, the verb here means “to ask questions,” and relates to what precedes (16.22). Then verses 23b-24 pick up a new subject, that of asking the Father for something in Jesus’ name.

Good News Translation inverts the last clause in verse 23, which literally reads “whatever you ask the Father in my name he will give you.” As the Good News Translation alternative rendering in the footnote points out, the placing of the phrase in my name poses a problem. In some Greek manuscripts it goes easily with the verb ask (Good News Translation, New English Bible, Die Bibel im heutigen Deutsch, Barclay), while in others it goes only with the verb give (New American Bible, Moffatt, Jerusalem Bible, Phillips, Goodspeed, Revised Standard Version, Zürcher Bibel, Luther). There is stronger textual support for placing the phrase with the verb ask. Also, the context is one of prayer, which the Gospel writer elsewhere connects with the name of Jesus (14.13,14; 16.16,24,26). On the basis of these observations, the UBS Committee on the Greek text favors placing the phrase in connection with the verb ask. However, it rates its choice a “C” decision, indicating considerable doubt whether the text or the apparatus contains the better reading.

In favor of the reading which places in my name with the verb give is the fact that this reading is the more difficult one. It is not likely that a scribe would move this phrase from a position where it goes easily with the verb ask to a position where it might be taken with the verb give, since nowhere else in John or in the New Testament is anything “given” in Jesus’ name.

For a discussion of the phrase in my name, see 14.13. Die Bibel im heutigen Deutsch, which connects the phrase with the verb ask, renders “the Father will give you all that you ask if you will call on me.” However, Goodspeed, who connects it with the verb give translates “whatever you ask the Father for, he will give you as my followers.”

Quoted with permission from Newman, Barclay M. and Nida, Eugene A. A Handbook on the Gospel of John. (UBS Handbook Series). New York: UBS, 1980. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .

SIL Translator’s Notes on John 16:23

Paragraph 16:23–24

Jesus encouraged his disciples to come freely to God and ask him in Jesus’ name for whatever they needed.

16:23a

In that day: This phrase refers to the time after the resurrection in general. It does not refer to one specific day, but to that whole time period. Here are other ways to translate this phrase:

When that day comes (New Jerusalem Bible)
-or-
At that time (New Living Translation (2004))
-or-
When that time comes (Contemporary English Version)

you will no longer ask Me anything: In this context there are two ways to interpret the Greek word that the Berean Standard Bible translates as ask :

(1) It means ask a question. The disciples will not question Jesus. For example:

you won’t ask me any more questions (God’s Word)

(New International Version, Revised English Bible, New American Standard Bible, King James Version, NET Bible, God’s Word, Contemporary English Version, New Jerusalem Bible)

(2) It means make a request. The disciples will ask the Father, not Jesus, and the Father will give them whatever they request in prayer. For example:

you will not ask me for anything (Good News Translation)

(Good News Translation, New Living Translation (2004), New Century Version)

The Berean Standard Bible and Revised Standard Version are ambiguous and can be understood both ways. It is good to translate this word with an expression that can include both these ideas. Both fit the context. If that is not possible, it is recommended that you follow interpretation (1). The Greek text uses a different word for ask here than the one translated “ask” in 16:23c.

16:23b

Truly, truly, I tell you: This clause introduces a statement that Jesus wants to emphasize. See the note at John 3:3a and how you translated this clause there.

16:23c

whatever you ask the Father in My name, He will give you: There is a textual issue here:

(1) Some Greek texts include the phrase in My name after ask, meaning ask in my name. For example:

If you ask the Father for anything in my name, he will give it to you. (God’s Word)

(Berean Standard Bible, New Revised Standard Version, Good News Translation, English Standard Version, Revised English Bible, King James Version, New American Standard Bible, NET Bible, God’s Word, Contemporary English Version, New Century Version, New International Version)

(2) Other Greek texts place the phrase in My name after give, meaning give in my name. For example:

if you ask anything of the Father, he will give it to you in my name (Revised Standard Version)

(Revised Standard Version, New Jerusalem Bible, New Living Translation (2004))

It is recommended that you follow option (1) as most English translations do. Better manuscripts follow that word order. Also, the phrase in My name is usually connected to prayer, not to giving what someone asks for.

ask: This verb here means “request in prayer” or “ask for something.”

the Father: This phrase refers to God the Father. In some languages it may be necessary to use a personal pronoun. For example:

my Father

in My name: This phrase here means “as someone united to me” or “according to my will.” It does not refer to saying the phrase “in Jesus name” at the end of a prayer. See the note at 14:13a and how you translated this phrase there.

He will give you: This clause indicates that God will answer the disciples’ prayers and give them what they ask for.

General Comment on 16:23c

In some languages it may be natural to rearrange the information in these clauses:

The Father will give you whatever you ask of him in my name. (Good News Translation)

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