complete verse (Ecclesiastes 10:11)

Following are a number of back-translations as well as a sample translation for translators of Ecclesiastes 10:11:

  • Kupsabiny: “If a snake bites people before it is tamed, the snake tamer gets nothing (no reward/pay).” (Source: Kupsabiny Back Translation)
  • Newari: “If a snake bites before it is charmed,
    what benefit will there be for the charmer?” (Source: Newari Back Translation)
  • Hiligaynon: “Your (sing.) ability to tame a snake has no value if it only bites you (sing.).” (Source: Hiligaynon Back Translation)
  • English: “If a snake bites a man before he charms/tames it,
    his ability to charm snakes will not benefit him.” (Source: Translation for Translators)

Translation commentary on Ecclesiastes 10:11

A second conditional clause concludes this small subunit dealing with possible dangers in the workplace. It uses the illustration of a snake, which we may identify as the keyword binding verses 8-11. Verse 11 is also marked by many words that contain the sh sound, a small stylistic feature, probably meant to imitate the sound of a snake. The verse, however, is not without its problems for the translator.

If the serpent bites before it is charmed: the conditional marker If is the same as for verse 10, namely, identifying another illustration. Serpent or “snake” is a general term, but here it seems to refer to a venomous snake, though we cannot know which one. In translating charmed, if readers are familiar with the practice of charming snakes, it is best to choose a snake that is subject to this practice.

Bites is a verb used mainly of snakes in the Old Testament (see Num 21.6), but it is not exclusive to them. The major problem is that we cannot easily determine who is the object of the verb bites. Is it the charmer, or is it someone else? From the general context in which people are at risk in their work, we conclude that the one at risk of being bitten is the snake charmer.

The time phrase before it is charmed produces another sound effect, as the Hebrew terms for “snake” and “charm” are similar. In some languages it will be difficult to place a time clause at this point, and some reordering will have to take place, such as “If a snake has not yet been charmed, and then it bites its owner [charmer], there’s no profit in that!” New American Bible understands the time phrase as giving a reason why the snake bites, when it says “… because it has not been charmed.” However, the weight of evidence would suggest that this is not the correct sense.

Is charmed refers to the use of words, actions, or music that appear to have an almost magical effect on the snake. Although snakes do not have a sense of hearing, people in many cultures believe they can be charmed in this way. Is charmed then means that a person has control over the snake. Where charming snakes is unknown, translators may use a descriptive phrase like “before it is under a person’s control” or “before it can be subdued.”

There is no advantage in a charmer represents the concluding portion of the conditional clause. In Hebrew it is introduced by the conjunction, which we can render as “then.” We observe that this phrase again uses the keyword yithron “lasting benefit,” as did verse 10, but here it is in a negative context. Rather than translating as we have elsewhere, it is probably better to use a verbal expression like “the charmer gains nothing” or “he profits nothing.” Alternatively we can interpret this expression as being ironic; “If the charmer gets bitten before the snake is charmed, there certainly is no lasting advantage for him!”

A charmer is the Revised Standard Version rendering of an unusual Hebrew phrase, literally “master of the tongue.” It may describe someone with the gift of clever speech. However, most commentators think that in the present context it refers to the snake charmer. “Tongue” in this context possibly represents the snake itself; if this is the case, this is an indirect reference to the charmer who owns the snake. New Jerusalem Bible takes the meaning “master” to mean someone well qualified in his job, translating “the trained charmer.” It seems certain that this expression was chosen for stylistic reasons; in Hebrew the word “tongue” sounds like “charmed” as well as like “snake.” It also ends with the same sound as yithron. Even the expression “master of the tongue” imitates the sounds in the Hebrew phrase “before it is charmed.” As such wordplays will be almost impossible to render in other languages, the translator should attempt to translate the meaning. For example, “the one who charms [or, controls] snakes.” We may also wish to add the slight meaning difference suggested by New Jerusalem Bible, “the one skilled in handling snakes.”

Good News Translation brings this second half of the saying to the beginning of the clause for emphasis. It then freely renders the phrase and certainly catches the spirit of the verse with its rendering “knowing how to charm a snake is of no use if….” Good News Translation is a good model to follow, or we can translate:

• If a snake bites the charmer before it is charmed, he [the charmer] gains nothing.

Quoted with permission from Ogden, Graham S. and Zogbo, Lynell. A Handbook on the Book of Ecclesiates. (UBS Helps for Translators). New York: UBS, 1997. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .

SIL Translator’s Notes on Ecclesiastes 10:11

10:11a If the snake bites before it is charmed,

If a snake bites before it has been charmed, (God’s Word)
-or-
If a ⌊poisonous⌋ snake has already bitten someone before it is calmed,

10:11b there is no profit for the charmer.

then there is no advantage in being a snake charmer. (God’s Word)
-or-
then a person who calms snakes cannot help anybody.

10:11a-b (reordered)

Someone may have power over dangerous snakes. But that will not help him if the snake bites him first. (EEB)
-or-
Someone might know how to control snakes. But that skill is useless if a snake bites when that person is not around. (English Easy-to-Read Version)

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Commentaire sur la traduction de l'Ecclésiaste 10.11

Comme expliqué plus haut, ce verset se lie à ce qui précède de plusieurs manières. Le mot serpent forme une inclusion avec Ecc 10.8. Le verset rejoint le Ecc 10.10 par sa structure (particule de condition אִם ʾim, « si ») et la mention du terme clé יִתְרוֹן yitrôn, « profit ». Mais son lien sémantique ou logique est difficile à discerner.

Dans l’Orient en général, la pratique de charmer les serpents est bien connue.

Si le serpent mord faute d’être charmé : cette proposition sous-entend un charmeur qui devrait figurer dans plusieurs traductions. Certaines cultures connaissent cette pratique et auront un terme pour celui-ci, comme « maître de serpent » ou comme dans ce qui suit « maître de la langue ». Si la pratique n’est pas connue, on sera obligé de parler de « celui qui sait charmer/maîtriser un serpent » L’idée sera mieux comprise si l’on propose deux propositions distinctes, par exemple, « Si le charmeur n’a pas charmé le serpent et qu’il se fait mordre ». Dans beaucoup de langues on aura deux occurrences du mot si : « Si le charmeur n’a pas charmé le serpent et s’il est mordu… »

pas de profit pour le charmeur est litt. en hébreu « וְ we il n’y a pas de profit pour le maître de la langue ». Certaines versions en langue courante aident à comprendre le sens ici :
Quoi bon savoir charmer un serpent, si on commence par se laisser mordre ? (Bible en français courant)
Celui qui sait calmer un serpent, s’il commence par se faire mordre, quel avantage pour lui de savoir le calmer ? (Parole de Vie)

Ainsi on peut en déduire que la personne qui est sage doit utiliser sa sagesse. S’il ne le fait pas, à quoi bon être sage ? Qohéleth est-il en train de s’amuser ou d’ironiser, en associant les sages aux charmeurs de serpents ? Notons que le son š apparaît quatre fois dans ce verset, ce qui peut évoquer le sifflement du serpent ou constituer, comme ailleurs, un signe d’ironie ou moquerie. Notons aussi que bien que l’hébreu présente une affirmation, une question rhétorique semble bien communiquer bien l’impact de ce dicton. Voir ci-dessus.

Source: Zogbo, Lynell. L’Ecclésiaste – Manuel de traduction – Commentaire linguistique et exégétique de la Bible. Alliance biblique universelle, 2021.