inclusive vs. exclusive pronoun (1Kings 18:23)

Many languages distinguish between inclusive and exclusive first-person plural pronouns (“we”). (Click or tap here to see more details)

The inclusive “we” specifically includes the addressee (“you and I and possibly others”), while the exclusive “we” specifically excludes the addressee (“he/she/they and I, but not you”). This grammatical distinction is called “clusivity.” While Semitic languages such as Hebrew or most Indo-European languages such as Greek or English do not make that distinction, translators of languages with that distinction have to make a choice every time they encounter “we” or a form thereof (in English: “we,” “our,” or “us”).

For this verse, the Adamawa Fulfulde translation uses the exclusive pronoun, excluding the people.

complete verse (1 Kings 18:23)

Following are a number of back-translations as well as a sample translation for translators of 1 Kings 18:23:

  • Kupsabiny: “So, go (plur.) and bring for us two bullocks. Let the prophets of Baal select one bullock. Then, let (them) slaughter and cut into smaller pieces and put on top of the firewood, but let no one set fire to it. I, too, shall slaughter a bull and cut into small pieces, and then I put (it) on top of the firewood but I will also not set fire to (it).” (Source: Kupsabiny Back Translation)
  • Newari: “Bring me two bulls. Then choose one for yourselves, cut it to pieces, [and], without lighting a fire, put [it] on top of the wood. I will prepare the other bull, [and] will put it on top of the wood, but without lighting a fire.” (Source: Newari Back Translation)
  • Hiligaynon: “Now you (plur.) bring us (excl.) two bull cows. Then the prophets of Baal will-choose one that they are-going-to-slaughter and then put (it) on top of the firewood, but do- not -set-fire-to the firewood. I will-do the same with the other bull; I will- also -put it on top of the firewood and I will- not also -set-fire on the firewood.” (Source: Hiligaynon Back Translation)
  • English: “Bring two bulls. The prophets of Baal may choose the one that they want. They must kill it and cut it into pieces and lay the pieces on the wood that is on the altar that they have made. But they must not light a fire under the wood. I will kill the other bull and cut it in pieces and lay the pieces on the altar that I make.” (Source: Translation for Translators)

Translation commentary on 1 Kings 18:23

Let two bulls be given to us: This passive expression will have to be made active in certain languages. The Hebrew is in fact not passive, but uses the indefinite third person plural pronoun by saying “Let them give us two bulls.” New Century Version translates simply “Bring two bulls,” while New International Version says “Get two bulls for us.” Others may prefer to say something like “Let someone bring us two bulls” or “We need two bulls.”

Certain versions translate the Hebrew term for bulls here in such a way as to focus on the age of the animals to be sacrificed, for example, “bullocks” (King James Version; Moffatt) and “young bulls” (New American Bible). But since the Hebrew noun may refer to either young animals or adult animals, there seems to be no compelling reason to highlight this aspect of meaning.

Let them choose one bull for themselves: The reference of the pronoun them is to “the prophets of Baal” (Good News Translation, New Living Translation). According to Lev 22.20, God would not accept as sacrifices any animals with any kind of blemish or imperfection. The implication here in verse 23 may be that the prophets of Baal have the advantage of choosing a bull for themselves that is acceptable as a sacrifice, and then there could be no charge against Elijah that he gave them a bull that was not acceptable to God. An alternative rendering for this part of the verse is “let the prophets of Baal choose one of the bulls to sacrifice.” This will make it clear that the following clauses concern a sacrifice.

Lay it on the wood: New Living Translation clarifies what this means by saying “lay it on the wood of their altar.”

Put no fire to it: The words to it have been added by Revised Standard Version according to the sense of the Hebrew. These words have also been added at the end of this verse and at the end of verse 25.

And I will prepare the other bull: The pronoun I is emphatic, so this clause is better translated “And as for me, I will prepare the other bull” (so Traduction œcuménique de la Bible, La Bible Pléiade). Prepare is literally “do.”

The second occurrence of the words and lay it on the wood are not in the Septuagint, which is followed by Bible de Jérusalem. However, most modern translations, including New Jerusalem Bible, follow the Masoretic Text here and retain these words.

Quoted with permission from Omanson, Roger L. and Ellington, John E. A Handbook on 1-2 Kings, Volume 1. (UBS Helps for Translators). New York: UBS, 2008. For this and other handbooks for translators see here .

SIL Translator’s Notes on 1 Kings 18:23

18:23a Get two bulls for us.

Lead/Bring (plur) two young bulls here to us. (excl.)
-or-
Give (plur) us two young bulls ⌊to sacrifice⌋.
-or-
We (excl.) need two bulls ⌊for a test/trial⌋.

18:23b Let the prophets of Baal choose one bull for themselves,

Let/Have (plur) the prophets of Baal choose one of the bulls ⌊to sacrifice⌋.
-or-
The prophets of Baal can select/take one of the bulls,

18:23c cut it into pieces, and place it on the wood

Let/Have (plur) them cut/chop the bull into pieces. They may place the pieces on the firewood,
-or-
cut it in pieces, and put it on the wood ⌊of their altar⌋.

18:23d but not light the fire.

but they may not start/light the fire.
-or-
However, they must not set it on fire.

18:23e And I will prepare the other bull and place it on the wood

I will prepare the other bull ⌊for a sacrifice/offering⌋ and will lay/place the pieces on the firewood ⌊too⌋,
-or-
I will do the same with the other bull,

18:23f but not light the fire.

but/and I will not start/light the fire.
-or-
and I will not set it on fire ⌊either⌋.

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